Comments on: Facebook and Decentralized Identifiers http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/ Little boxes made of words, by Jens Alfke Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:32:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jens Alfke http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2138 Jens Alfke Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:38:10 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2138 @Dave — Yes, email is used as the user-id for logins. But it's not visible to other users, which was my point: "the service has no visible identifiers for user identities. Unlike most centralized services, there’s no unique username to pick. I assume that, internally, each account requires a unique email address, but that address plays very little role in the user experience." @Dave — Yes, email is used as the user-id for logins. But it’s not visible to other users, which was my point: “the service has no visible identifiers for user identities. Unlike most centralized services, there’s no unique username to pick. I assume that, internally, each account requires a unique email address, but that address plays very little role in the user experience.”

]]> By: Dave http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2139 Dave Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:00:16 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2139 The user id is your email address surely? The user id is your email address surely?

]]> By: 益学会 > OLDaily 中文版 » Blog Archive » 2007年12月17日 教育blog 校园暴力 Eduspaces关闭 Google规则 微学习 http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2137 益学会 > OLDaily 中文版 » Blog Archive » 2007年12月17日 教育blog 校园暴力 Eduspaces关闭 Google规则 微学习 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:09:20 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2137 [...] 去中心化社会性网络的需求 这种需求将会越来越大。简单来说，这个概念指的是你的博客应用程序——比如说WordPress——应当成为你的社会性网络。 正如 Om Malik 描述的那样。那么在这样一个数据在网站间“飞来飞去”的时代，你——只用你自己的软件的话——将会受到指责。请看Jens Alfe 关于分布式身份认定的评论。现在该是 分布式社会性网络应用登台的时候了。如DISO项目. 请仔细看看这篇。 Aswath, EnThinnai Blog December 17, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Networks, Google, Project Based Learning, Web Logs] [参与评论] [...] […] 去中心化社会性网络的需求 这种需求将会越来越大。简单来说，这个概念指的是你的博客应用程序——比如说WordPress——应当成为你的社会性网络。 正如 Om Malik 描述的那样。那么在这样一个数据在网站间“飞来飞去”的时代，你——只用你自己的软件的话——将会受到指责。请看Jens Alfe 关于分布式身份认定的评论。现在该是 分布式社会性网络应用登台的时候了。如DISO项目. 请仔细看看这篇。 Aswath, EnThinnai Blog December 17, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Networks, Google, Project Based Learning, Web Logs] [参与评论] […]

]]> By: melvster http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2127 melvster Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:02:32 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2127 Great post. Facebook probably has an order of magnitude smaller number of users than 800 million. Great post. Facebook probably has an order of magnitude smaller number of users than 800 million.

]]> By: EnThinnai Blog » Blog Archive » Demand for Decentralized Social Networks http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2136 EnThinnai Blog » Blog Archive » Demand for Decentralized Social Networks Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:23:06 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2136 [...] Many people have put forward the benefits of decentralizing social networks. Some of the more prominent ones are Tim Berners-Lee and Dave Winer. Today I came across a post by Jens Alfke where he argues in favor of decentralizing social networks. Actually he goes in step forward: “… I believe that implies that a very Facebook-like social network could be built as a distributed architecture that didn’t rely on a central server or organization. It might not even look that different; you’d just notice (or not) that, as you surfed from one friend’s profile to another, the domain name in the address bar changed.” He goes on to suggest the benefits of decentralizations. And he concludes with, “I think we may be at a tipping point now — people seem to be increasingly aware of the problems that centralization brings, and in their aftermath I keep running across discussions of how it should be possible to do this stuff without pesky corporate overlords messing it up.” I could not agree more. EnThinnai is our attempt on delivering on this objective. He also makes another interesting observation. He notices that Facebook “has no visible identifiers for user identities.” He opines that since Facebook is a social network, there is no need for universally unique identity. It is enough for the identity is uniquely resolved within each user’s social graph. Since EnThinnai is a distributed network, it goes one step ahead – it allows a user to assign names for each of the buddies. Thus I am “Dad” for my daughter, “Hubby” for my wife and “Pointy Head” for that person. The names have only local significance, but universal identity is maintained by OpenID. [...] […] Many people have put forward the benefits of decentralizing social networks. Some of the more prominent ones are Tim Berners-Lee and Dave Winer. Today I came across a post by Jens Alfke where he argues in favor of decentralizing social networks. Actually he goes in step forward: “… I believe that implies that a very Facebook-like social network could be built as a distributed architecture that didn’t rely on a central server or organization. It might not even look that different; you’d just notice (or not) that, as you surfed from one friend’s profile to another, the domain name in the address bar changed.” He goes on to suggest the benefits of decentralizations. And he concludes with, “I think we may be at a tipping point now — people seem to be increasingly aware of the problems that centralization brings, and in their aftermath I keep running across discussions of how it should be possible to do this stuff without pesky corporate overlords messing it up.” I could not agree more. EnThinnai is our attempt on delivering on this objective. He also makes another interesting observation. He notices that Facebook “has no visible identifiers for user identities.” He opines that since Facebook is a social network, there is no need for universally unique identity. It is enough for the identity is uniquely resolved within each user’s social graph. Since EnThinnai is a distributed network, it goes one step ahead – it allows a user to assign names for each of the buddies. Thus I am “Dad” for my daughter, “Hubby” for my wife and “Pointy Head” for that person. The names have only local significance, but universal identity is maintained by OpenID. […]

]]> By: pebkac thoughts :: links for 2007-12-04 http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2135 pebkac thoughts :: links for 2007-12-04 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:19:53 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2135 [...] Facebook and Decentralized Identifiers — Thought Palace It turns out there really isn’t any good solution for universal unique personal identifiers. (tags: facebook network identity) [...] […] Facebook and Decentralized Identifiers — Thought Palace It turns out there really isn’t any good solution for universal unique personal identifiers. (tags: facebook network identity) […]

]]> By: Jens Alfke http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2126 Jens Alfke Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:19:56 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2126 pebkac: I've mostly thought about how I would do it myself, hypothetically. I had looked at Elgg a while ago, but didn't know that they'd added OpenID support, which should make the system more distributable, though I didn't see details of this on their site. I wasn't aware of noserub before, but it looks very interesting. I'm going to read their protocol docs now. Thanks! pebkac: I’ve mostly thought about how I would do it myself, hypothetically.
I had looked at Elgg a while ago, but didn’t know that they’d added OpenID support, which should make the system more distributable, though I didn’t see details of this on their site.
I wasn’t aware of noserub before, but it looks very interesting. I’m going to read their protocol docs now. Thanks!

]]> By: pebkac.homelinux.net http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2134 pebkac.homelinux.net Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:50:58 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2134 Care to mention any of the several open source projects that you think might be able to fill the gap? elgg? noserub? What do you have your eye on? Care to mention any of the several open source projects that you think might be able to fill the gap? elgg? noserub? What do you have your eye on?

]]> By: Jens Alfke http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2133 Jens Alfke Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:18:45 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2133 Wes: You're right! I'd forgotten about that essay, and about the great name "petname". By that standard, Facebook doesn't have petnames, though, since AFAIK it doesn't let you customize the name that's used for a friend in the UI. Instead it uses nicknames (the full names that users put in their profiles.) I'm not sure what happens if you have two Facebook friends with the same name — hopefully it disambiguates them somehow! Wes: You’re right! I’d forgotten about that essay, and about the great name “petname”.

By that standard, Facebook doesn’t have petnames, though, since AFAIK it doesn’t let you customize the name that’s used for a friend in the UI. Instead it uses nicknames (the full names that users put in their profiles.) I’m not sure what happens if you have two Facebook friends with the same name — hopefully it disambiguates them somehow!

]]> By: Wes Felter http://jens.mooseyard.com/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2125 Wes Felter Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:13:53 +0000 http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2007/12/facebook-and-decentralized-identifiers/#comment-2125 <a href="http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/petnames/IntroPetNames.html" rel="nofollow">Pet names</a> strike again. Pet names strike again.

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